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So, J.K. Rowling has said that at least two major characters will die in book seven.

Here's some likely candidates I have come up with - who do you think will die?
(sorry if i left any good candidates out.

Oh - Yes, percy is a bad guy. he deserves to die.
Snape - questionable on the good vs. bad. I had a hard time deciding where to put him. We will find out. But he's in the bad guy column for now, as that is how he is seen in the potterverse right now.

put additional votes in comments if they are not specified here.

apologies for the placement of snape - yes, hard choice
yes, i did not put dumbledore in the list - I acknowledge the possibility that he may not be dead or may come back.

[Poll #774226]

Date: 2006-07-20 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Severus Snape? A bad guy? He's the great hero of the setting!

Date: 2006-07-20 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I had a hard time deciding where to put him actually.

Is he bad? Is he good? I can't say!

Date: 2006-07-20 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
i don't think we'll know on that one until the end.

clearly my "please kill luna lovegood" posse is far. *cackle*

Date: 2006-07-20 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
what is your icon from?

Date: 2006-07-20 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
[ profile] potterpuffs!

combining two of my fave things:
harry potter

i like the icons. a lot, as a look at my icon page will betray. :)

Date: 2006-07-20 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm gonna do the whole discussion thing :)

I think the ones that will die are out of the six I chose (Harry, Ron, Lupin, Voldy, Lucius, Narcissa)

Here's why:

Tom "Voldemort" Riddle - has to die to give the entire arc meaning. Why would we focus on the great buildup if the entire thing goes unfinished? I mean, I'm okay with "the bad guy wins" but not in the presentation that's been given

Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy - Voldy will become dissatisfied with Draco or something he's done, and in an attempt to bring him into line will kill one or both of his parents -- but it will have the opposite effect, in my opinion, and make him realize that while he doesn't like Potter, Voldy's side is not where he wants to be

Ron Weasley - Ron, being Ron, will sacrifice himself to save Harry like he did in Philosopher's/Sorceror's Stone

Harry "The Boy Who Lived" Potter - Okay, let's review horcrux theories. One of Seven had to be used to bring Voldy back to reside on Quirrel's skull and drink unicorn blood in book 1 -- I think that was Hufflepuff's Cup. Two of Seven was the journal that caused the trouble with the basilisk in book 2. Three of Seven was destroyed by Albus Dumbledore (Marvolo Gaunt's ring -- Voldy's grandfather) resulting in a wound that withered and blackened his arm between books 3 and 4. Four of Seven was Voldy's wand that was used in the ritual to bring him back to flesh and blood. Five of Seven is Slytherin's locket -- not the one that Harry and Dumbledore found, as that one was fake, but the one that was taken instead by Regulus Black (Sirius' brother, former Death Eater that turned on Voldy... RAB) back to Number Twelve Grimmauld Place (the Black ancestral home) and later looted by Mundungus "Dung" Fletcher after Sirius' death and likely fenced with the rest of the ill-gotten gains in Hogsmeade in book 6. Six of Seven is the serpent-companion, Nagini, and Potter will easily kill the damn thing. The Seventh of the Seven is Potter's Scar... thus when he kills Voldemort at the climax of the seventh book, he will have to kill himself to avoid his scar being used to bring back the so-called "Dark Lord" once again

Now, of those you listed, the reason I didn't choose the following was that they simply aren't important enough to be "major characters" to the story: Delores Umbridge, Bellatrix Lastrange, Crabbe and Goyle (fathers or sons either one), Luna Lovegood

I didn't choos any of the rest of the Weasleys because while they're important to the story, they are beneath the notice of Voldy

Minerva McGonagall and Neville Longbottom - It just flat wouldn't be as moving for either of them to be the deaths-to-come

Hermione Granger and Rubeus Hagrid - A muggle-born and a half-giant. Voldy wouldn't think either of them the least bit of threat

Draco Malfoy - Too much of an antihero. The only source of conflict in Harry's life that's not deadly. Chief rivals don't die. Basic literary truth

Severus "The Half-Blood Prince" Snape - Frankly... he's just too damn crafty for Voldy to ever suspect his betrayal at this point. He's untouchable by the bad guys because his "loyalty" is unchallengeable. The good guys wouldn't kill him

Peter "Wormtail" Petigrew - His importance to the story no longer exists, barring resurgence of being Voldy's main henchrat. His death would be a non-issue

Date: 2006-07-20 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Forgot to say why I thought Lupin would die

Remus Lupin - He's the last person left able to stand between Harry and Voldemort to protect Harry -- so Rowling will find a way to kill him off so Harry can realize his destiny

Date: 2006-07-20 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm not one to buy into the "harry's scar as horcrux" argument, there is still much debate over that and the truth is far from clear. And I don't think that you need to be noticed and targetted by lord V or the Order in order to die. People can die in many other ways.

But why I picked my answers:

1) Petigrew - Wormtail has a life debt to harry. Dumbledore mentions that this will be important - and when dumbledore says something like this is important, it is. JKR also said that this will come into play in book 7. Honestly, i think that wormy will thwart or reval voldemort's plans in the end, both to pay off his debt and because he is selfish and will go to whoever he thinks will have power. he has no real true allegence to V, he is in it for himself. V will kill him with a thought. He's not popular though, and i doubt that he was one of the characters she is talking about.

2) Hagrid - One thing we learn from the series is that "love is the most powerful thing ever". Another thing we learn is that sacrafice is important. Who else in the series would sacrafice themselves to save another, dumbledore would - and so would hagrid. I think he's going to take a killing blow for someone else. I think that he was one of the characters she was talking about.

3) Voldemort - i think we all expect him to die. He pretty much has to, so JKR was not talking about him when she mentioned at least two others. Again, not one of the characters she was talking about.

Who else will die? I don't think that harry will. McGonagall - probably not, she'll be the new headmaster.

Neville, Luna, and the Weasley twins are good candidates to die because they are popular in fan circles, and their deaths are not showstoppers to the book. They have an emotional impact on the fans, but they don't stop the story flat because they are not critical.

I think you have very good points for Draco's parents, and very good points for Draco himself - I think that another possibility is that his mother is likely to fall on voldemort's sword to save draco. So she gets double points in the death pool.

Snape - slippery snape. I do not think that he will die (unless he is already dead, but i've speculated about that before)

I sort of feel like one of the trio should die, and ron seems most likely. But i'm not sure that he would sacrafice himself for harry again. It would get overdone. JKR has said that one of the students will come back to hogwarts to be a professor - and Hermione is the #1 choice there (unless it is harry himself in the DADA position, or something twisted like a reformed Draco - as head of slytherin even - hmmm)

Anyhow, more thoughts later.

Date: 2006-07-21 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't really think Harry will die, either. I was just listing the possibilities. My theory is that after Voldy's gone, McGonagall will be named the new HeadMistress, Hogwarts will re-open (having been closed at some point during book 7), and Snape cleared, reinstated as Potions instructor... and Harry, having not paid enough attention throughout school to qualify as an Auror, will be appointed the DotDA Professor

Date: 2006-07-20 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
What about Dumbledore? Why isn't he on the list. After all: Order of the PHOENIX. Snape has got to MEAN those words, and he might just be a good guy afterall, in which case... welcome back Albus to a nice new warm death. Sacrificing yourself, but in a way that perhaps even a phoenix couldn't return from, would prove powerful magic.

As for the horcrux theory... hmmm... I wonder if Harry can just remove the scar somehow. "Holy crap, he said, as he realized for the first time in seventeen years that it was nothing more than a post-it note. With occasional pain." Hmm.. okay, so that'd be lame. But I wonder if he could supplant whose soul the horcrux protects.

Anyway, pipe dreams!

Date: 2006-07-21 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Maybe she could just do a Shakespeare and kill them ALL off at the end.

Date: 2006-07-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Nah. the series is at least nominally a kids' series...


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